Thursday, 27 November 2008

How are the dead?

Concerning the dead at the awakening on the day of judgement. “The dead shall be raised incorruptible” To be discussed in our Sunday service November the 30th.

Allon Maxwell wrote:
Hi Marcus,
I saw your post on the Christadelphian Facebook Site on this topic.

Do I assume from this that you believe that the (righteous) dead will rise immortal?

My own belief is that we will rise from the grave immortal.
Marcus Ampe wrote:

I think at the day of judgement we shall have to come in front of the chair of Christ to be judged. This would mean that still a lot could happen to the body in front of Christ. But been resurrected by God, who knows our state, we could already be given the 'body' of the group to which we shall belong to. As righteous receiving an incorruptible body and as cursed a body that can and shall die again. The approved of would perhaps not have mortality any more (or immortality), so those taken out of the grave to come in front of the judgement seat have undergone a transformation. Out from the ashes they shall receive a form that shall hold all the essences of the previous body and live. Their body shall not deteriorate or not been killed any more if they are accepted by God to live forever after.

It is true that there is also a solemn warning that fear of the judgement is something experienced by the wicked – NOT the righteous! So you could say that the righteous shall straightly become 'awake' directly in an incorruptible body and should not be afraid of what would come.
If the sins of the repentant are never to be mentioned ever again, how can it be possible that they must be put on public exhibition at the judgement, and be accounted for a second time? But perhaps there are sins been committed wherefore no repentance had been brought before dying. You also think that sins done after baptism when you feel guilty about them and repent, would not any more be accounted for. Would we not be reprimanded for it? I agree that we would not get a dead penalty for it, and that God shall forgive them. But shall He not do like a worldly father does and talk about what has gone wrong? Shall the forgiveness and cleansing not happen on the day of judgement? Christ is going to do the division and sending us to the right or the left side.
Is it not that those who thought they were doing right but did wrong or believed wrongly would be put in the right place at the day of judgement. For example when someone has lived according to his believes in his faith (catholic, protestant, etc.) or did not have the opportunity to learn God, but learns how it really is on the day of judgement, would he not be left the choice to choose right and be saved. Or would you think no Trinitarian would make a chance to be saved if there is no tri-une God, or the other way that non-Trinitarians would be damned when there is a bi- or a tri-une God? I take it that those who believe in Christ as the Saviour and live according the will of God make a change to live eternally, no matter which denomination they were in. (cfr Ezekiel 33:16)
Coming in front of the judgement throne the righteous can proof to the others that they kneel down and praise the right Lord. Showing the others how they should have behaved in front of Christ and onto God. To them it is not a judgement as such (sentence or conviction) that comes over them.
Because the verdict shall be 'not guilty' the righteous shall be free to live eternally in the form they shall have received by their awakening.
So you assumed rightly that I think that the righteous will rise immortal in a certain way because dead shall not come over them any more. (But not having the eternality of God who never can die, but if He would like to make an end to it all He can and could destroy us) (But we have the promise of eternal life) Therefore the word incorruptible is better.

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