Showing posts with label hell. Show all posts
Showing posts with label hell. Show all posts

Thursday 8 August 2013

Darkness, light, burning fire, Truth and people in it

Dan Gaitanis wrote:

I'm on a train headed home from the best Bibleschool I've ever been to. Eastern was absolutely wonderful.

All three speakers said something that I can take away from it:
John Bilello said in his exhortation, "Don't confuse the truth with the people in it."
 I thought that was a great quote--quite often we follow certain people who we think have it all right, when in reality, they could very well be wrong. Not everything said in every Christadelphian class is exactly right on everything, whether the speaker is from the USA, Australia, England, or wherever.

Mark O'Grady made an object lesson--he said "Say we were in a complete eclipse and it was midnight and it was pitch black in here and someone came in the room and lit a candle/light. That light would shine, you'd be able to see it from all over the room. If they lit a bright light it would dispel all the darkness that's in the room. Say someone walked in here and they had a box, and you say 'well, what's in your box? (imagine Mark saying this like a really excited person)' and they said 'oh I've got a box full of darkness!' And you take it to the center of the room and...you take the lid off! What happens to the darkness, does it fill the room? So what's that telling us? Light overcomes darkness. Be not overcome with evil, says Paul, but overcome evil with good."

And Jonathan Bowen told us a sad story about one of his friends from high school, who he got in a debate with about heaven/hell-going. And Jonathan won the debate, but his friend thus left Christianity because he was no longer worried about burning in hell, so basically, even though Jon won the battle, he lost the "war", saying that we shouldn't be out to "win", but rather to "win someone over to Christ". How often do we do that?
 We have these stupid divisions and such and people leave because of them. So we might win the battle of being right, but we still lose in the long run because we lost a member of the body, or a potential member of the body.

I can't say enough about how wonderful it was to be with those brothers and sisters. It was my first time and I was welcomed with open arms and felt right at home, almost as if I'd known those people for many years. Those New England people are pretty cool. And I've known that xD
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Monday 12 November 2012

Is there an Immortal soul

In the 2001 Translation – An American English Bible we did find:

The Immortal Soul Problem

One of the reasons why there can be no Hell of eternal torture is because a person would need an 'immortal soul' to be sent there. In other words, a portion of his or her personality would have to be incapable of dying. And although this doctrine is taught by almost all religions, it simply can't be found in the Bible. In fact, one of the things that differentiates the Bible from most (if not all) pagan religions and their sacred writings (such as the Koran), is that the Bible alone teaches that a dead person can be resurrected (brought back to life)… but only if God wills it. So nothing inside us is incapable of dying (immortal).
Why, if you go to Genesis the Third Chapter, you'll find that it was the Opposer (Satan) who first taught that men wouldn't die, for we read at Genesis 3:5, 'Then the snake told the woman, You won't stop living and die. But, God knows that on whatever day you eat from it your eyes will be opened and you will be gods who know good and evil.'
We find this first lie directly contradicted what God had just said at Genesis 2:16, 17, 'You are free to eat from all the trees of paradise, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Bad. Because, on whatever day you eat from it, your life will end and you will die (Gr. thanato apothaneisthe, or, death from dying).'
Obviously souls can die, for notice what a soul is. Genesis 2:7 tells us this: 'Then God formed man from the dust of the ground, breathed the breath of life against his face, and he became a living creature (Gr. psychen zosan, or, person/soul living).'
Now, the words we translated as living creature here were psyche in Greek and Nephesh in Hebrew, and both words are the same ones that are translated as soul in other Bibles. So the Bible's own definition of a soul, is that it's something made from the dust of the ground and has the breath of life… thus, it is a whole living person or animal, not something that lives inside. In fact, throughout the Bible animals are referred to as souls also. So psyche really means (as we have often translated it) a living creature.
Actually, the best true Bible definition of the Greek word psyche is what the word implies in modern psychology, 'the inner person,' not, 'the immortal person.' With this understanding, we can see how God could refer to 'My Soul.' He wasn't speaking of the individual we all believe that we know, but of the person He is on the inside.
As history shows, the pagan Egyptians believed that they had immortal souls, but righteous Hebrews made no mention of such a belief anywhere in the Sacred Scriptures of Israel (OT). It was only in the latter part of the millennium proceeding the time of Jesus that we first see this doctrine starting to creep into Jewish teachings.
Then, did Jesus and his Apostles teach that we have an immortal soul? No, for those two words (immortal soul) don't appear together anywhere in the Bible. In fact, the words immortal and immortality (Gr. athanasia or undying) can only be found in three places in the Bible, and let's see how the word is used in each of these cases:
  • 1 Timothy 6:15, 16 – 'He will show himself at his own set time… the blest and only ruler, the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords; the only one who has immortality and who lives in unapproachable light; he who no man has seen or can see.
  • 1 Corinthians 15:53, 54 – 'Then that which is decaying will put on cleanliness, and that which is dying will put on immortality. But, when that which is dying puts on immortality, the words that were written are fulfilled, Death is swallowed in victory.'
So in the first case, we can see that Jesus is immortal, and in the second case we can see that immortality is offered as a reward to the righteous… so, it is not a possession of the wicked… thus they have no immortal soul that can be sent to burn in Hell.

Wednesday 10 November 2010

Grave, tomb, sepulchre - graf, begraafplaats, rustplaats, sepulcrum

Het graf (grave, tomb, sepulchre) of opbergruimte voor een lijk of dood lichaam, de grafstede alsook de plaats waar iemand begraven ligt (burial place, resting place).



[Old English græf;  related to Old Frisian gref,  Old High German grab,  Old Slavonic grobǔ; ] (Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition )
O.E. græf  "grave, ditch," from P.Gmc. *graban  (cf. O.S. graf,  O.Fris. gref,  O.H.G. grab  "grave, tomb;" O.N. gröf  "cave," Goth. graba  "ditch"), from PIE base *ghrebh-/*ghrobh-  "to dig, to scratch, to scrape" (cf. O.C.S. grobu  "grave, tomb"); related to grafan  "to dig"). (Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper )
1150–1200;  ME sepulcre  < OF < L sepulcrum,  equiv. to sepul-  (var. stem of sepelīre  to bury) + -crum  n. suffix of place (Dictionary.com Unabridged )
tomb: 1225–75;  ME tumbe  < AF; OF tombe  < LL tumba  < Gk týmbos  burial mound; akin to L tumēre  to swell. (Dictionary.com Unabridged )
from Old French tombe,  from Late Latin tumba  burial mound, from Greek tumbos;  related to Latin tumēre  to swell, Middle Irish tomm  hill (Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition )
tomb
c.1275, from Anglo-Fr. tumbe,  O.Fr. tombe  (12c.), from L.L. tumba  (cf. It. tomba , Fr. tombe , Sp. tumba ), from Gk. tymbos  "burial mound, grave, tomb," from PIE base *teu-  "to swell" (see thigh). The final -b  began to be silent 14c. (cf. lamb, dumb). ... A tombstone  (1565) originally was a horizontal stone covering a grave (or the lid of a stone coffin); meaning "gravestone, headstone" is attested from 1711.
(Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper )



sepulchre - a chamber that is used as a grave  
chamber - a natural or artificial enclosed space
crypt - a cellar or vault or underground burial chamber (especially beneath a church)
tomb, grave - a place for the burial of a corpse (especially beneath the ground and marked by a tombstone); "he put flowers on his mother's grave"
mausoleum - a large burial chamber, usually above ground
monument, repository - a burial vault (usually for some famous person)
burial vault, vault - a burial chamber (usually underground)
(Collins Thesaurus of the English Language)


catacomb, crypt, final resting place, last home, mausoleum, mound, permanent address, place of interment, resting place, sepulcher, shrine, six feet under, tomb, vault

boneyard, God's acre, Golgotha, boot hill, catacomb, cemetery, charnel, charnel house, churchyard, city of the dead, crypt, eternal home, funerary grounds, garden, grave , graveyard, marble town, memorial park, mortuary, necropolis, ossuary, polyandrium, potter's field, resting place, sepulcher, tomb, vault


Under the tag "graf" you shall be able to find articles on any excavation made in the earth in which a dead body can be buried. Any place that becomes the receptacle of what is dead, lost, or past, the last place of interment; a tomb or sepulchre.
It is about a place for the burial of a corpse, which can be beneath the ground but also above the earth in a special build construction, a cavity in a mensa, a vault or mausoleum and usually marked by a tombstone.

The sepulchre is first mentioned in the Bible as the burialplace or grave purchased by Abraham for Sarah from Ephron the Hittite (Genesis 23:20). This was the "cave of the field of Machpelah," where also Abraham and Rebekah and Jacob and Leah were burried (79:29-32). That place was considered as the unseen world: Hades and Sheool, were since the first sin entered the wold also death came by it and therefore every element of creation had to face death and decay without any difference between plant, animal or human. (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20) All had to go to that one place, the grave, to become dust again. (Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 12:7) In Acts 7:16 it is said that Jacob was "laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem." Moses, Elisha, King David were placed in a sepulchre. Kings (1 Kings 2:10) and prophets (1 Samuel 25:1) were generally buried within cities. Graves were generally grottoes or caves, natural or hewn out in rocks (Isaia 22:16; Matthew 27:60). There were family cemeteries (Genesis 47:29; 50:5; 2 Samuel 19:37). Public burial-places like gehenna outside Jerusalem, were assigned to the poor (Jeremia 26:23; 2 Kings 23:6). Graves were usually closed with stones, which were whitewashed, to warn strangers against contact with them (Matthew 23:27), which caused ceremonial pollution (Numeri 19:16). There were no graves in Jerusalem except those of the kings, and according to tradition that of the prophetess Huldah.
Joseph of Arimathea provided his own newly made sepulchre for use of Jesus from Nazareth (Matthew 27:57-60) who also went into the hel of death.


Onder het etiket "graf" zal u artikelen vinden welke betrekking hebben op de rustplaats van afgestorvenen. Het graf kan daar gaan om een kuil in de aarde, een opgraving gemaakte in de aarde waarin een lijk kan begraven worden. Maar ook over enige andere plaats waar datgene dat dood is, het leven verloren heeft tot rust wordt gebracht of als laatste plaats krijgt van een ter aarde bestelling of begrafenis; een graf of sepulcrum, grafkelder, grafspelonk, graftombe. Het is over een plaats voor de begrafenis van een lijk, dat onder het terrein kan zijn maar ook boven de aarde in een speciale opbouw, een holte in een mensa, een gewelf, stenen grafmonument,  graftempel of mauseleum en gewoonlijk gemarkeerd door een grafsteen. Een grafspelonk daarentegen is de rotsen uitgehouwen uitgehouwen grot, waarin het lijk kan geplaatst worden.



Het sepulcrum wordt eerst in de Bijbel als de begraafplaats of graf vermeld dat door Abraham voor Sarah van Ephron de Hettiet werd gekocht  (Genesis 23:20). Dit was het "hol van het veld van Machpelah", waar ook Abraham en Rebekah en Jacob en Leah werden begraven (79:29-32). Die plaats werd als de ongeziene wereld beschouwd: Hades en Sheool. Deze plaatsen waren, aangezien door de eerste zondeval in de wereld ook de dood tot iedereen gekomen was, voor eenieder onderdeel van de schepping de tegemoet teziene laatste rustplaats. In de dood zou voor iedereen en alles verval optreden, zonder verschil tussen plant, dier of mens. (Prediker 3:19.20) Iedereen moest naar die plaats, het graf, gaan om opnieuw stof  te worden. (Gensis 3:19; Prediker 12:7) In Handelingen van de Apostelen 7:16 wordt gezegd dat Jacob "in het sepulcrum werd gelegd dat Abraham van de zonen van Emmor de vader van Sychem voor een som geld had gekocht". Mozes, Elisha, Koning David werden in een sepulcrum geplaatst. Koningen (1 Koningen 2:10) en profeten (1 Samuel 25:1) werden algemeen binnen steden begraven. Graven waren algemeen grotten of holen, natuurlijke of uit rotsen gehouwde holten (Jesaja 22:16; Mattheus 27:60). Er waren familiebegraafplaatsen (Genesis 47:29; 50:5; 2 Samuel 19:37). Openbare begraaf-plaatsten zoals Gehenna buiten Jeruzalem, werden aan de armen toegewezen (Jeremia 26:23; 2 Koningen 23:6). Graven werden gewoonlijk met stenen afgesloten, welke werden witgewassen, om vreemden te waarschuwen tegen contact met hen (Mattheus23:27), welk ceremoniële vervuiling veroorzaakte (Numerieken 19:16) . Er waren geen graven in Jeruzalem behalve die van de koningen en volgens traditie die van de profetes Huldah. Joseph van Arimathea verzorgde zijn eigen pas gemaakt sepulcrum voor gebruik voor Jezus van Nazareth (Matthew 27:57-60) die ook door zijn dood in "de hel" ging.

Graf, begraafplaats, grafplaats, grafakker, Gods Akker, Akker des Heren, dodenakker, Golghotha, catacombe, crypte, sarcofaag, bijzetplaats, ter aarde bestelling, grafruimte, grafstede, grafkuil, aardkuil, pottenbank, familiegraf, erfgraf, kindergraf, grafspelonk, koepelgraf, keldergraf, familiekelder, grafgewelf, crypte, grafgang, eregraf, praalgraf, tombe, eretombe, mausoleum, columbarium, urneplaats, urnemuur, reuzengraf, hunnebed, grafheuvel, grafterp, tumulus, piramide, konus, pantheon


grafmonument, cenotaphium, dolmen, sarcophaag, grafzuil, grafnaald, graftombe,

grafsteen, grafgesteente, grafzerk, , lijkgesteente, grafnis, grafplaat, grafbord,

gewijde grond, graftuin, begraafplaats,

campo-santo,

ossuarium, knekelhuis, beenderhuis, beenderurn, beenderengrot, beenderhoop,

ligplaats tussen vier planken, ligplaats voor eeuwig,
laatste ankerplaats, laatste tolplaats, den dieperik, poort tot het eeuwig e (niets/leven), pierenkuil, put voor de gecrepeerden, put/kuil der ruste, bij de mieren zijn, plaats van ontbinding, lijkenstek, lijkenplaats,, knekelmansplaats, doodskistenplaats, kadaver plaats/ruimte,

aan de schoot der aarde toevertrouwen, onder de grond stoppen, in de put steken,een lijk bijzetten, lijken verbranden/verassen,

Monday 13 September 2010

Join the debate about the position of fallen angels

On Facebook you can find a discussion to which we would like to invite you to debate about the matter of hell, fallen angels and the position of sinners after their death.
> http://www.facebook.com/marcus.ampe?v=wall&story_fbid=126675704046786
Jesus who was Wounded for our transgressions and died for all sinners was directed by humans to go into hell. The day Jesus died his soul was delivered in the hands of God, though an innocent man, who did not do any sin, he was placed in hell. What did the Holy man do when he was considerd by many the Messiah Jesus three days in hell? Did he not succeed to save the people who were supposed to be there to be tortured for their sins? Was his dying on the stake to pay for all sins of humankind a measure for nothing? Because when Jesus as the Lamb of God sprinkled his blood on this world for forgiveness of all sins, it looks like God not accepting this offer when He ask the sinners first to go to purgatory or to send them to hell even before Jesus can judge them at the end times, when the Messiah would return to judge the living and the death.

Please read more about the position of Jesus in hell and his relationship with so called Fallen Angels in:

Jesus three days in hell

Jesus and the fallen angels in hell

Fallen Angels

dead and after



Dutch speaking readers can also find more articles like;
Do we have to be afraid of a devil? Moeten wij bang zijn voor een duivel
Afraid for Fallen Angels > Bang voor Gevallen Engelen

Gevallen Engelen, Uitgerangeerden



You are welcome to join the debate on Facebook on the reaction about Does God Exist?
"A true story..." plus Einsteins saying concerning our own responsability about evil.

Ook Nederlandstalige lezers worden vriendelijk uitgenodigd om mee in het debat te treden op Facebook en verder in te gaan op de bovenvermelde artikelen en over wat de Bijbel zegt over engelen, duivels, demonen, vagevuur, hel en over wat Jezus hier op aarde kwam doen en nog later bij zijn terugkomst zal doen.

Wednesday 4 August 2010

This month's survey question: Heaven and Hell

Heaven and Hell: What does the Bible REALLY teach?


For centuries preachers went around bringing frightful ideas about places were people would be tortured for the sins they had done here on earth.  It has been commonly believed by most professing Christians that heaven is the abode of the righteous dead where they experience everlasting joy and happiness, and that hell is the eternal abiding place of the wicked who are subject to never-ending torment in its unquenchable fires.

This month's survey question:
Is the Bible's Hell a flaming torture chamber?

  • Yes.  Unrepentant sinners deserve what they get!
  • No.  The word translated hell simply means the grave.
  • The notion of a fiery hell is nothing but empty superstition.
  • Hell is conscious eternal separation from God, not torture in flames.
  • Don't know.

Go to > http://www.thisisyourbible.com/

Wednesday 3 March 2010

Jesus three days in hell

"When Jesus Christ died at the cross, he was the definite and complete sacrifice for our sins.” tells evangelist Billy Graham.  According to him Jesus “was without sin and had never committed a sin, not even one. But to the cross came sin of whole humanity on him and Christ took the decision to take the sentence which we deserve on himself. He took our place! We can hardly present ourselves this, but when he died God His own Son even went on our behalf to hell. For this reason he shouted to the cross: ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’ (Marcus 15:34). This is what the old credo ‘he has descended in hell (this sense stands in an old declaration which is read weekly in some churches) means.”
At its baptism Jesus received the Holy Spirit and started his worldly task get people to repentance. He was prepared to take up all the sins of all people and to sacrifice his life for them. By dying to the torture post he brought a ransom sacrifice to God for whole humanity. That Jesus would have gone for three days to hell, as a place of torture,  will be a found in the wrong interpretation of the word sheol or `underworld’ where the sepulchre is simply meant (i.e. the grave). Also when we die we will arrive in the ground or the sepulchre. We shall end up in the grave or sheol, the hell, being not a place of torture, but just of earth and dust.

Dutch original / Nederlands origineel > Jezus drie dagen in de hel
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2013 update:
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