Groot Drie-eenheidsdebat

Enkele maanden geleden gingen twee ernstige denkers over de Bijbel met elkaar in debat over een zeer moeilijk onderwerp in het Christendom, dat al honderden jaren de Kerk in beroering heeft gehouden en waar reeds veel bloed, letterlijk en figuurlijk, is over gevloeid.

The Great Trinity Debate

Rob Bowman vs Dave Burke

Now this is eternal life — that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent. (John 17:3)
It is a matter of eternal life to know the true God and his son, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is our responsibility to understand the one true God. But do we really know him? Or do we just believe in a God that we've learned about from others?

The identity of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is a fundamental belief in Christianity and increasingly Christians don't know why they believe in what they do, unable to defend the doctrine of the Trinity when challenged.
There seems to be a kind of complacency that comes from being a mainstream Christian, thinking that being in the majority is enough to make the doctrine true without needing proof.

The Bereans searched their scriptures daily to make sure what they heard was true and that's no different with the doctrine of the Trinity, we have to search our scriptures to decide if it's true or not, not take it for granted or rely on someone else to tell us that it is or isn't true.
The debate about the Trinity has been raging on since the early church and it still rages on today. Rob Bowman, a Trinitarian issued a challenge last year for a non-Trinitarian to debate him on the subject of the Trinity. This year, Dave Burke a non-Trinitarian, took up that challenge and presented his case for the unity of God. A fascinating debate resulted and was captured on the Parchment and Pen blog.
I recommend you read both sides of the argument thoroughly, it's not all as black and white as you might think as both sides have strong arguments.
The Great Trinity Debate
The Challenge | Introduction | Resources List

Part 1: God & Scripture	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 2: Jesus Christ	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 3: Jesus Christ (continued)	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 4: Holy Spirit	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 5: Father, Son & Holy Spirit / The Trinity	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 6: Closing Statement	Burke vs	Bowman

A Trinitarian blogger (Dale) provides useful commentary on the debate... Final Summary | Full Commentary List ... concluding that Burke won the debate.
P.S. If you are a Trinitarian and still think 1 John 5:7-8 is a valid proof for the doctrine of the Trinity, you most definitely need to read this debate to learn some better proofs! Also read "The Trinity is Like 3-in-1 Shampoo". . . And Other Stupid Statements

The Great Trinity debate

The Great Trinity Debate

Rob Bowman vs Dave Burke

Now this is eternal life — that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent. (John 17:3)
It is a matter of eternal life to know the true God and his son, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is our responsibility to understand the one true God. But do we really know him? Or do we just believe in a God that we've learned about from others?

The identity of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is a fundamental belief in Christianity and increasingly Christians don't know why they believe in what they do, unable to defend the doctrine of the Trinity when challenged.

There seems to be a kind of complacency that comes from being a mainstream Christian, thinking that being in the majority is enough to make the doctrine true without needing proof.
The Bereans searched their scriptures daily to make sure what they heard was true and that's no different with the doctrine of the Trinity, we have to search our scriptures to decide if it's true or not, not take it for granted or rely on someone else to tell us that it is or isn't true.

The debate about the Trinity has been raging on since the early church and it still rages on today. Rob Bowman, a Trinitarian issued a challenge last year for a non-Trinitarian to debate him on the subject of the Trinity. This year, Dave Burke a non-Trinitarian, took up that challenge and presented his case for the unity of God. A fascinating debate resulted and was captured on the Parchment and Pen blog.

I recommend you read both sides of the argument thoroughly, it's not all as black and white as you might think as both sides have strong arguments.
The Great Trinity Debate
The Challenge | Introduction | Resources List

Part 1: God & Scripture	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 2: Jesus Christ	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 3: Jesus Christ (continued)	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 4: Holy Spirit	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 5: Father, Son & Holy Spirit / The Trinity	Burke vs	Bowman
Part 6: Closing Statement	Burke vs	Bowman

A Trinitarian blogger (Dale) provides useful commentary on the debate... Final Summary | Full Commentary List ... concluding that Burke won the debate.
P.S. If you are a Trinitarian and still think 1 John 5:7-8 is a valid proof for the doctrine of the Trinity, you most definitely need to read this debate to learn some better proofs! Also read "The Trinity is Like 3-in-1 Shampoo". . . And Other Stupid Statements

Bloodless medicine aproach in military hospital

A report featuring the remarkable developments at Englewood Hospital, New Jersey, USA.

A bloodless management to avoid negative outcomes and saving more lives.
Dr Shander says medics only should go over to blood transfusion at a last resort. Recycling the patients own blood is much better than using blood from somebody else.

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Jehovah Yahweh Gods Name

The Divine Name of God in pictures.

The Tetragrammaton, 6828 times mentioned in the Hebrew Writings of the Old Testament, can be found on bookrolls, pages, illustrations, paintings, statues and buildings around the world.

Gods Naam wordt wel 6828 keren aangehaald in de Hebreeuwse Geschriften van het Oude Testament. Het tetragram kan op verscheiden plaatsen in de wereld terug gevonden worden op schriftrollen, boekbladen, prenten, schilderijen, beeldhouwwerken en gebouwen.

Iehova, Iehovae, Jihovah, Jiova, Jheva, Jehoah, Jehova, Jehowah,Yehova, Yehowa, Yehwowah,
Jahwe, Jahweh, Yahweh

YHWH

JHWH

In the quotes Jesus used when he spoke he probably also used Gods Name because he knew that his Father wanted His Name to be know over the whole world
True Christians should sanctify God's Name by following Jesus and his disciples.

Wanneer Jezus de Schrift aanhaalde (teksten van het Oude Testament) gebruikte hij waarschijnlijk Gods Naam zoals deze reeds van de oudheid gekend was.
Ware Christenen zouden Gods Naam moeten heiligen door het voorbeeld van Jezus en zijn apostelen te volgen en deze Naam kenbaar te maken over de gehele wereld.

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“That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah,
Art the Most High over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18 ASV)

"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18 NWT)

“That men may know that you, whose name alone is YAHWEH,
are the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18 KJBPNV)

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"Dat men zal weten dat u alleen, wiens naam Jehovah is,
de Allergrootste bent over de gehele aarde. (Psalmen 83:18 ASVMAV)


Opdat men weet dat gij, wiens naam Jehovah is,
Gij alleen de Allerhoogste zijt over heel de aarde. (Psalmen 83:18 NWV)

“(83-19) dan zullen zij weten, dat "Jahweh" uw naam is;
dat gij de allerhoogste zijt op heel de aarde, gij alleen!” (Psalmen 83:18 Canis)


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Consequences of Breivik's mass murder

Breivik's mass shooting on the holiday island of Utoeya targeted youth members of Norway's Labour Party, which heads a relatively pro-immigrant, pro-multicultural government in coalition with the Socialist Left Party and the Center Party.

Utøya - killing spree's sequence of events inscribed onto the island (Photo credit: quapan)

Breivik's actions could help the current government, and in particular the Labour Party, analysts said.
"In the short term, the parties are not going to touch the immigration issue ... I think it's going to make politicians quite cautious in their wording, their rhetoric," said Hanne Marthe Narud, political science professor at Oslo University.

"In a time of tragedy, voters normally flock around the established parties, particularly those in office. The Labour Party has been particularly harmed by this, and the way the prime minister has acted is extremely good. His popularity will spill over to the Labour Party," she added.
Norway's Muslim leaders were hopeful for the future, seeing Breivik's violent call for Europe to shun Muslims as actually more likely to bring Muslims and Christians together.
"I think minorities will think of themselves as more Norwegian ... religion, ethnicity, color will go into the background. The Norwegian identity will be strengthened," said Mehtab Afsar, Islamic Council of Norway general-secretary.
"We are standing shoulder to shoulder with our Christian brothers and sisters in Norway," he added.

Breivik_GP3 (Photo credit: Uppdragsmedia)

Read more:

1. Breivik geen enkeling

2. Christian fundamentalism as dangerous as Muslim fundamentalism

3. Problems by losing the borders

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   2013 update:

   Breivik, held in isolation in a high security prison near Oslo for killing 77 people in twin attacks in 2011, placed an application to create an association he wanted to call "The Norwegian fascist party and the Nordic league."
   But Mette Siri Brønmo, a spokeswoman for the body that registers such applications, told the Aftenposten daily that Breivik's bid fell short of the legal requirements.
   "To be an association, you need to have two people or more ... and in this case, there's only Breivik," she said.
   

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Religion, fundamentalism and murder

The self-confessed mass murderer of 76 people in Norway was an apparently normal youth who showed no signs of what he was planning even in the months right before the massacre, his ex-stepmother Tove Oevermo told The Associated Press.

Oevermo and Breivik's father divorced 10 years later, around the time Breivik claims, in his 1,500-page manifesto, that he became estranged from his father. Oevermo, 66, recalled the split, but declined to comment on what precipitated it. She did say, however, that she got the feeling Breivik wanted to have a relationship with his father, though he never spoke of their relationship.

Breivik would often speak of a book he was writing, Oevermo said. He was proud of the book, but was evasive about its contents.

Breivik spoke about politics "like every normal person does, not more than that. He never touch Islam and this hatred for it he must have had for it," Oevermo said.
As for the attack itself, Oevermo said she was horrified to learn the "quite informed and well spoken" man she had known.
"People say, 'I'm shocked.' They don't know what shock is all about, physically and psychologically. It was so unreal. I couldn't believe it. I refused to believe it," she said. "If I'd had some kind of suspicion — some kind of idea that something was not right with him, it would have been easier, I think."

Not only in Italy were there is still a strong fascist group we could find some reactions to think of.

A politician in a party in Italy's governing coalition called some of Norway massacre suspect Anders Behring Breivik's ideas "great" while the leader of a British far-right group to which Breivik claims links called the attacks a sign of "growing anger" in Europe against Muslim immigrants.

Mario Borghezio, a European parliamentarian who belongs to Italy's right-wing Northern League party, told a mainstream Italian radio station that he sympathized with some of Breivik's ideas.
"Some of the ideas he expressed are good, barring the violence, some of them are great," he told Il Sole-24 Ore radio station.
The Northern League, the junior partner in Premier Silvio Berlusconi's government, has caused a stir with its increasingly virulent anti-immigrant, anti-Islamic rhetoric.
Meanwhile, Stephen Lennon, leader of the English Defense League, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he does not condone Breivik's rampage but "the fact that so many people are scared - people have to listen to that."
"People should look at what happened in Oslo and understand that there is growing anger in Europe," said Lennon, 28. "You suppress people's rights you suppress people's voices and people will just continue to go underground - but that doesn't make the problem go away."

Also Patrick Buchanan gives us something to look out for, as he wrote:
"Breivik is evil - a cold-blooded, calculating killer - though a deluded man of some intelligence, who in his 1,500-page manifesto reveals a knowledge of the history, culture and politics of Europe. ...
But, awful as this atrocity was, native-born and homegrown terrorism is not the macro-threat to the continent.
That threat comes from a burgeoning Muslim presence in a Europe that has never known mass immigration, its failure to assimilate, its growing alienation, and its sometime sympathy for Islamic militants and terrorists.
With her native-born populations aging, shrinking and dying, Europe's nations have not discovered how to maintain their prosperity without immigrants. Yet the immigrants who have come - from the Caribbean, Africa, the Middle East, South Asia - have been slow to learn the language and have failed to attain the educational and occupational levels of Europeans. And the welfare states of Europe are breaking under the burden. "

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Mr.Buchanan's writing is the biased idea of the predisposed general people opposing a growing cultural amalgam and a danger and prevention to cultural diversity. It are those ideas which are also a threat for the evolution of a inter-cultural global society
He is clearly creating a soil for anger against something which can only be attributed to a few fundamentalist groups which sickens all the rest.


Others should look out and also be careful for the extreme right wing ideas.

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Read more:

Christian fundamentalism as dangerous as Muslim fundamentalism

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Breivik geen enkeling

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Pat Buchanan: Norwegian Right-Wing Terrorist ‘Breivik May Be Right’

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• Breivik “an ordinary Norwegian,” ex-stepmom says (cbsnews.com)
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The Bible4Life ­- a Multimedia Presentation

The Midlands CALS has arranged an evening of preaching in Birmingham Town Hall on Monday September 26th at 7.30pm. There are 900 seats to fill, and all ecclesias are invited to bring their regular visitors, senior Sunday School children, Seminar attendees, and other contacts.

Rather than a straight talk the programme will consist of three dramatic presentations: Tyndale and Bible Translations; Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream and Bible prophecy; and the High Priest and the way of salvation through Jesus.

It will take about an hour.

The Town Hall authorities are insisting on entrance tickets, which can be obtained in advance from

Sis (Mrs) Pat Brown,
5 Marshfield Close
Church Hill North
Redditch
B98 8RW
Tel 01527 647787
Email: pat.m.brown@talktalk.net.

Tickets must be ordered by Monday 12th September.

Further information will be sent to Midlands Recording Brethren during July and August.

> Invitation

Doopplaats Jezus openbaar gemaakt

Vorige dinsdag heeft Kasr al-Jahud in Israël de plek aan de Jordaan waar volgens de overlevering Jezus door Johannes gedoopt werd, officieel opengesteld voor pelgrims en toeristen.
Er is heel wat inkt uit de pen gevloeid betreft die bewuste plaats en men kan zich vragen stellen of er hier niet uit commercieel oogpunt in aanwezigheid van politici en afgevaardigden van het leger en de christelijke Kerken een strategische plek werd uitgekozen. Er wordt gehoopt op 100.000 bezoekers voor de doopplaats in het voormalige militair gebied.

De plaats, aan de Israëlische kant van de Jordaan, ligt tussen twee omheinde mijnenvelden in verboden militair gebied aan de grens met Jordanië. Voor het pausbezoek in 2009 werd het sinds 44 jaar meestal niet toegankelijke stuk oever, waar Johannes de Doper gewerkt zou hebben, uitgebouwd. Tot nu toe moesten bezoeken aan de plek vooraf worden gecoördineerd met het leger. In de toekomst zal ze het hele jaar door vrij toegankelijk zijn voor bezoekers.

Katholieke Bijbelstichting werkt samen met Jongbloed

KBS Samenwerkingsverband met JONGBLOED

BRUSSEL (KerkNet/KBS) – Met ingang van 1 juli heeft de Katholieke Bijbelstichting (KBS) een samenwerkingsovereenkomst gesloten met Jongbloed B.V., een Nederlandse uitgeverij uit Heerenveen. Daarmee besteedt de KBS haar uitgeefactiviteiten rond de Bijbel in de Wilibrordvertaling en andere KBS-titels uit aan de Nederlandse Uitgeversgroep. De samenwerking wordt aangegaan voor tien jaar. Jongbloed staat bekend als uitgeverij van Bijbels en liedboeken.

(Kerknet)

Waiting for Gods Salvation

There is, God willing, planned subject to the will and blessing of our Heavenly Father, a week for brethren and sisters, young people and children to come aside from the world for a week and concentrate our minds on those things which we know to be true.

The Christadelphian Hertfordshire Spring Bible School are God willing, to consider the general theme for the week of:

"I HAVE WAITED FOR THY SALVATION, O YAHWEH"

There will be three main sessions each day on the following subjects led by the following brethren:

"The Passover" led by Bro Mark Evans of Napton

"What shall befall Israel in the latter days" led by Bro Richard Mellowes of Caerphilly

and

"The Kingdom of God" led by Bro Stephen Egginton of Stourport

There will also be topical evening studies and opportunity to consider the daily readings each day. There will be seperate lessons and related activities for the children and young people. There will also be activities organised for those who wish each afternoon, including a visit to a museum of Biblical interest.

COSTS: Full board, including lunch on both Monday and Friday.
Under 4 years: Free
4-6 years: £55 (£69 en-suite)
7-13 years: £111 (£137 en-suite)
14-16 years: £167 (£205 en-suite)
17 years and above: £224 (£274 en-suite)

There is a maximum family charge of £615 in standard accommodation.

Time	Monday  June 4 2012 from 13:00 -Friday  June 8 2012 until 14:00
Location	High Leigh Conference Centre, Hoddeston, Hertfordshire Lord Street Hoddesdon, United Kingdom